Comments for Chedoke BrowLands Community http://chedokebrow.ca Chedoke community on Proposed Brow Development - Lets Keep It Scenic! Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:54:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 Comment on Niagara Escarpment Commission Decision Made – Closing Mackie’s Mountain Archery by Bob Mackie http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/155#comment-5195 Bob Mackie Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:54:19 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/niagara-escarpment-commissions-closing-mackies-mountain-archery/#comment-5195 This property in Question has had a pre-existing commercial use for over forty years. The currant land use by Mackies Mountain Archery leaves very little footprint, almost non-existent. Under Mr. Mackie's care this former cow pasture has been replanted in native trees in partnership with Land Care Niagara and Ministry of Natural Resources. The Carolinian Forest is now starting to fill the open landscape. The activities on this property meet any environmental criteria. The whole issue revolves around, jealous , nosey people using the system to bully neighbours. Lawfully the NEC, the province or municipality cannot regulate private property. Private Property is governed by conditions and reservations within the Grown Patent Grants. This property in Question has had a pre-existing commercial use for over forty years. The currant land use by Mackies Mountain Archery leaves very little footprint, almost non-existent. Under Mr. Mackie’s care this former cow pasture has been replanted in native trees in partnership with Land Care Niagara and Ministry of Natural Resources. The Carolinian Forest is now starting to fill the open landscape.
The activities on this property meet any environmental criteria. The whole issue revolves around, jealous , nosey people using the system to bully neighbours. Lawfully the NEC, the province or municipality cannot regulate private property. Private Property is governed by conditions and reservations within the Grown Patent Grants.

]]> Comment on OMB undemocratic, out of touch by Andrew http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1417#comment-5023 Andrew Tue, 21 Feb 2012 06:45:59 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1417#comment-5023 Hi Sharon, The OMB is functioning, but how it's functioning is up for debate. Yes there are cases were the OMB has favoured the community or ordinary member(s) of society, but reports of communities getting the smaller hand is wide spread. The very undemocratic practice of the OMB is the fact that the chair is Judge and jury, and the chair is likely unfamiliar with the very community he or she is making hard decisions about. The statements in my letter are from local residents who I spoke with while petitioning the Chedoke Brow Lands Community. There were actually many more statements that I have that I did not include in my letter due to word count. My Grandmother is a long time resident and lives near the site planned for development. She asked me for help fighting this development and I agreed without a doubt. You're right, I am not a resident in the Chedoke Brow lands community, but I have spent my whole life there, so I am very familiar with the character of the community. The only opportunity I have taken is helping my Grandmother and this community fight for their right to be taken seriously. A 1,146 name petition of opposition to the development was given to the City of Hamilton and a 1,177 name petition was given to the OMB. I am glad that I have stirred the pot because it brings attention to this issue. The solution of almost 1,200 community residents supports park land in their community and I support them on their decision. At the same time in my opinion, it is reasonable to have some development there, such as a local cafe, restaurant, or a place for the community to meet. I think that a decent park land and a limited development are fair. I made that clear at the OMB hearing. That way the City will get more taxes, the developer benefits and so does the community. The community has proven that it will not stand by while a "land use planner" makes mass profit at the expense of their community and while having to deal with an unfriendly process. In terms of the cross, the development plan or plans have undergone so many changes that I think only the "land use planner" would know the true plans. The City of Hamilton made a mistake by accepting 450 and behind the scenes, in my opinion, they probably would have gone for a lower number. The City of Hamilton was a bit slow to take the community seriously, but eventually made some very important decisions that would favour the community. One of the latest offers that the "land use planner" made was turned down due to a "flooding" of emails and phone calls to Terry Whitehead's office in opposition to the new proposal by the "land use planner." If you’re opposed or not, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and has had plenty of opportunity to express them. I would like to go back to your original point that the OMB "does work." If you Google OMB, you will come across lots of articles and expressions of opposition to the OMB. Even Mississauga wants it abolished: http://www.mississauga.com/news/article/1033226--city-wants-omb-abolished I am sure you are well aware of the City of Mississauga. If you decide to write a negative message, perhaps you should send it from your private IP address instead of from the City of Mississauga. -Andrew Hi Sharon,
The OMB is functioning, but how it’s functioning is up for debate. Yes there are cases were the OMB has favoured the community or ordinary member(s) of society, but reports of communities getting the smaller hand is wide spread. The very undemocratic practice of the OMB is the fact that the chair is Judge and jury, and the chair is likely unfamiliar with the very community he or she is making hard decisions about.

The statements in my letter are from local residents who I spoke with while petitioning the Chedoke Brow Lands Community. There were actually many more statements that I have that I did not include in my letter due to word count. My Grandmother is a long time resident and lives near the site planned for development. She asked me for help fighting this development and I agreed without a doubt.

You’re right, I am not a resident in the Chedoke Brow lands community, but I have spent my whole life there, so I am very familiar with the character of the community.

The only opportunity I have taken is helping my Grandmother and this community fight for their right to be taken seriously. A 1,146 name petition of opposition to the development was given to the City of Hamilton and a 1,177 name petition was given to the OMB.

I am glad that I have stirred the pot because it brings attention to this issue. The solution of almost 1,200 community residents supports park land in their community and I support them on their decision. At the same time in my opinion, it is reasonable to have some development there, such as a local cafe, restaurant, or a place for the community to meet. I think that a decent park land and a limited development are fair. I made that clear at the OMB hearing. That way the City will get more taxes, the developer benefits and so does the community.

The community has proven that it will not stand by while a “land use planner” makes mass profit at the expense of their community and while having to deal with an unfriendly process.

In terms of the cross, the development plan or plans have undergone so many changes that I think only the “land use planner” would know the true plans.

The City of Hamilton made a mistake by accepting 450 and behind the scenes, in my opinion, they probably would have gone for a lower number. The City of Hamilton was a bit slow to take the community seriously, but eventually made some very important decisions that would favour the community. One of the latest offers that the “land use planner” made was turned down due to a “flooding” of emails and phone calls to Terry Whitehead’s office in opposition to the new proposal by the “land use planner.”

If you’re opposed or not, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and has had plenty of opportunity to express them.

I would like to go back to your original point that the OMB “does work.” If you Google OMB, you will come across lots of articles and expressions of opposition to the OMB. Even Mississauga wants it abolished: http://www.mississauga.com/news/article/1033226–city-wants-omb-abolished

I am sure you are well aware of the City of Mississauga. If you decide to write a negative message, perhaps you should send it from your private IP address instead of from the City of Mississauga.

-Andrew

]]> Comment on OMB undemocratic, out of touch by shacarter58@gmail.com http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1417#comment-5020 shacarter58@gmail.com Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:11:55 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1417#comment-5020 Been following all this garbage ,, especially the recents 2 or3 years ever since the hospital had meetigs 7 or 8 years ago The OMB certainly does work . ask my son in law when the OMB voted against a plaza in their backyard ... what s undemocratic about a chairs desision or a judges or a jury ?? Can you share the author of the statements you allude to ? ever since you supposedly started speaking for your nanna and and the residents,??? your political platform certanly shows. andy , you are just an opportunist who as an outsider eg ,, a non resident just stirs the pot without any solutions... were yiu aware that one ofthe things the developer way back was going to d o was fix was the crss's lights .?.. well you can bet your student loan that will never happen now.. why would thet after spendingmoney and how about the consultaent and lawyers fees the CITY SPENT defending the resident rewquests.. that would have fixed ten crosses. anyone know the final $$ ? Sharon ( up the streeT) one of the silent majority who wants the old buidings torn down for better livung and more taxes for the city Been following all this garbage ,, especially the recents 2 or3 years ever since the hospital had meetigs 7 or 8 years ago
The OMB certainly does work . ask my son in law when the OMB voted against a plaza in their backyard … what s undemocratic about a chairs desision or a judges or a jury ??
Can you share the author of the statements you allude to ? ever since you supposedly started speaking for your nanna and and the residents,??? your political platform certanly shows. andy , you are just an opportunist who as an outsider eg ,, a non resident just stirs the pot without any solutions… were yiu aware that one ofthe things the developer way back was going to d o was fix was the crss’s lights .?.. well you can bet your student loan that will never happen now.. why would thet after spendingmoney and how about the consultaent and lawyers fees the CITY SPENT defending the resident rewquests.. that would have fixed ten crosses. anyone know the final $$ ?
Sharon ( up the streeT)
one of the silent majority who wants the old buidings torn down for better livung and more taxes for the city

]]> Comment on History of Brow lands worth fighting for by D.W.H http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1397#comment-5010 D.W.H Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:27:38 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1397#comment-5010 RE: Suggestion to get movement? 08/02/2012 Reply ?Reply Delete all from sender Show details Hide details chedokebrow.cainfo ATchedokebrow.ca View detailsTo 'D H' From: email Sent: February-08-12 10:20:04 AM To: 'D H' (email) Good Day Mr. Hart, Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, there is not much that we can do at this point. The decision regarding this property is up to the Ontario Municipal Board - The hearings are over and they will make the final decision regarding this land. We had hundreds of people from our community who have publicly voiced their disagreement with the proposed development – but to no avail. I moved from Alberta ten years ago, and am amazed that Ontarians would allow such an organization as the OMB to exist – How we organize our local communities has been given over to a third party, with final authority on zoning issues. Essentially, subverting the fundamental guiding principle of how we organize ourselves in Canada – That principle being Democracy. Link to the OMB case regarding the Brow Lands. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL100691 Thanks for your interest. RE: Suggestion to get movement?
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Good Day Mr. Hart,
Thanks for your comments.
Unfortunately, there is not much that we can do at this point.
The decision regarding this property is up to the Ontario Municipal Board – The hearings are over and they will make the final decision regarding this land.
We had hundreds of people from our community who have publicly voiced their disagreement with the proposed development – but to no avail.
I moved from Alberta ten years ago, and am amazed that Ontarians would allow such an organization as the OMB to exist – How we organize our local communities has been given over to a third party, with final authority on zoning issues. Essentially, subverting the fundamental guiding principle of how we organize ourselves in Canada – That principle being Democracy.
Link to the OMB case regarding the Brow Lands. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL100691
Thanks for your interest.

]]> Comment on History of Brow lands worth fighting for by D.W.H http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1397#comment-5009 D.W.H Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:24:33 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1397#comment-5009 This is an example of giving up, not thinking outside the box or giving ideas that might actually work zero trials or faith. THIS is why hamilton has turned into the hopeless city it has if you ask me, but who the hell am I says the Hamilton Spectator who doesn't know a news tip from a dead alien walking. RE: Suggestion to get movement? 08/02/2012 Reply ?Reply Hide message history Show details Hide details info@chedokebrow.cainfo@chedokebrow.ca Send email Find email View detailsTo 'D H' From: info@chedokebrow.ca Sent: February-08-12 10:20:04 AM To: 'D H' (sportaerobics@hotmail.com) Good Day Mr. Hart, Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately, there is not much that we can do at this point. The decision regarding this property is up to the Ontario Municipal Board - The hearings are over and they will make the final decision regarding this land. We had hundreds of people from our community who have publicly voiced their disagreement with the proposed development – but to no avail. I moved from Alberta ten years ago, and am amazed that Ontarians would allow such an organization as the OMB to exist – How we organize our local communities has been given over to a third party, with final authority on zoning issues. Essentially, subverting the fundamental guiding principle of how we organize ourselves in Canada – That principle being Democracy. Link to the OMB case regarding the Brow Lands. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL100691 Thanks for your interest. This is an example of giving up, not thinking outside the box or giving ideas that might actually work zero trials or faith. THIS is why hamilton has turned into the hopeless city it has if you ask me, but who the hell am I says the Hamilton Spectator who doesn’t know a news tip from a dead alien walking.

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Good Day Mr. Hart,

Thanks for your comments.
Unfortunately, there is not much that we can do at this point.

The decision regarding this property is up to the Ontario Municipal Board – The hearings are over and they will make the final decision regarding this land.

We had hundreds of people from our community who have publicly voiced their disagreement with the proposed development – but to no avail.

I moved from Alberta ten years ago, and am amazed that Ontarians would allow such an organization as the OMB to exist – How we organize our local communities has been given over to a third party, with final authority on zoning issues. Essentially, subverting the fundamental guiding principle of how we organize ourselves in Canada – That principle being Democracy.

Link to the OMB case regarding the Brow Lands. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL100691

Thanks for your interest.

]]> Comment on History of Brow lands worth fighting for by D.W.H http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1397#comment-5008 D.W.H Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:38 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1397#comment-5008 This could be easily & affordably turned into SOME condos with the Cross lit up again on top by solar/wind or human energy generated from a renovated facility to maintain heritage of site. It could again be a NEW type of School for autistic children, cancer,hiv etc with an urban fitness & urban artist flare. Using obstacle courses insider and out with sand and recycled tires, ropes and chains. Using parkouring and bootcamps lead by world reknown gymnastics, circque artists, physical fitness gurus and the like to inspire health for EVERYONE including private residences. The project would stimulate job growth, new imaginations and we all would be a beacon of hope and renewed visions of Hamilton both geophysically, spiritually starting with our most valuable resource and future energy,,,, our children. Why not have some generalist fuse together the projects there in ways yet unthought, unseeen or unheard. Rather than wait another 8 years or create more issues that only delay and upset everyone Try something or someONE else who DOES care for both sides but first has HUMANS and HAMILTON and a peaceful fusion of all desires act as an unconventional mediator. Get away from LAWYERS, POLITICIANS, COURTS AND general bullshit that costs more money and delays the inevitable. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I would help these projects by donating my time for free as a HAMILTONIAN. Such has been done before like converting a run down airplane machine repair warehouse into the most amazing revolution and paradigm shift in the Fitness industry in Calgary Alberta. If it was done there it can be done here with the same person leading the pack. Dakota Wilfred Hart isoffering his time, expertise and vision to do this for HAMILTON. I'll start as soon as given the go ahead by all parties if and when they have the gonads to ASK ME. I'm free to do this asap,,,can someone get one of these people to at least call me and set something up sportaerobics@hotmail.com or twitter @KaelTsarvek or Dax Hart facebook. I CARE and I CAN HELP. But first I need these people to LISTEN to someone that might be insane enough to think he matters and might change the world in which we live in. Humans first, REALITY starts with REAL people. This could be easily & affordably turned into SOME condos with the Cross lit up again on top by solar/wind or human energy generated from a renovated facility to maintain heritage of site. It could again be a NEW type of School for autistic children, cancer,hiv etc with an urban fitness & urban artist flare. Using obstacle courses insider and out with sand and recycled tires, ropes and chains. Using parkouring and bootcamps lead by world reknown gymnastics, circque artists, physical fitness gurus and the like to inspire health for EVERYONE including private residences. The project would stimulate job growth, new imaginations and we all would be a beacon of hope and renewed visions of Hamilton both geophysically, spiritually starting with our most valuable resource and future energy,,,, our children.

Why not have some generalist fuse together the projects there in ways yet unthought, unseeen or unheard. Rather than wait another 8 years or create more issues that only delay and upset everyone Try something or someONE else who DOES care for both sides but first has HUMANS and HAMILTON and a peaceful fusion of all desires act as an unconventional mediator.

Get away from LAWYERS, POLITICIANS, COURTS AND general bullshit that costs more money and delays the inevitable. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I would help these projects by donating my time for free as a HAMILTONIAN.

Such has been done before like converting a run down airplane machine repair warehouse into the most amazing revolution and paradigm shift in the Fitness industry in Calgary Alberta.

If it was done there it can be done here with the same person leading the pack. Dakota Wilfred Hart isoffering his time, expertise and vision to do this for HAMILTON. I’ll start as soon as given the go ahead by all parties if and when they have the gonads to ASK ME. I’m free to do this asap,,,can someone get one of these people to at least call me and set something up sportaerobics@hotmail.com or twitter @KaelTsarvek or Dax Hart facebook.

I CARE and I CAN HELP.

But first I need these people to LISTEN to someone that might be insane enough to think he matters and might change the world in which we live in.

Humans first, REALITY starts with REAL people.

]]> Comment on Hearing in brow lands dispute moved to December by sayed http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1316#comment-4917 sayed Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:17:51 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1316#comment-4917 As a taxpayer, what did this OMB hearing fiasco cost us..??.ten thosand ? a 100 thousand ?? more ??If people want to oppose developmnt and growth let them pay. Many of us in the silent majority are fed up with frivilous spending at City Hall. Votes arent everything in your ward . Do what is right for the city, the whole city needs additional taxes mr whithead. and now that it is over , do ypu think the builder will ever sell any land to the city? FAT chance No wonder we are stuck in the 70's. als0 i see that some of the evedence given by one resident on scenic might be inaccurate maybe worse . take a lookat the on line comments. As a taxpayer, what did this OMB hearing fiasco cost us..??.ten thosand ? a 100 thousand ?? more ??If people want to oppose developmnt and growth let them pay. Many of us in the silent majority are fed up with frivilous spending at City Hall. Votes arent everything in your ward . Do what is right for the city, the whole city needs additional taxes mr whithead. and now that it is over , do ypu think the builder will ever sell any land to the city? FAT chance No wonder we are stuck in the 70′s. als0 i see that some of the evedence given by one resident on scenic might be inaccurate maybe worse . take a lookat the on line comments.

]]> Comment on Hearing in brow lands dispute moved to December by B Parsons http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1316#comment-4913 B Parsons Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:08:32 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1316#comment-4913 Just like Hamilton to fight growth of the city. It took the Red Hill 10 years to be built because of all the tree huggers. They said it wasn't needed. I take the Red Hill every day to work and it takes me 20 minutes. Before that 45 min. Stop haggling and get the project built. The people are no different than the rest of the people in Hamilton they just think they are. Just like Hamilton to fight growth of the city. It took the Red Hill 10 years to be built because of all the tree huggers. They said it wasn’t needed. I take the Red Hill every day to work and it takes me 20 minutes. Before that 45 min. Stop haggling and get the project built. The people are no different than the rest of the people in Hamilton they just think they are.

]]> Comment on Bigger Picture by Vince Hubbard http://chedokebrow.ca/a-gem/chedoke-browlands-the-bigger-picture#comment-4873 Vince Hubbard Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:44:53 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?page_id=111#comment-4873 Please put me on your email list. Thank-you, Vince Please put me on your email list.
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]]> Comment on Special Meeting Involving City Council by Andrew http://chedokebrow.ca/archives/1296#comment-4869 Andrew Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:11:35 +0000 http://chedokebrow.ca/?p=1296#comment-4869 IMPORTANT: Please call and email City Council and tell them not to accept any deal with Deanlee on the special meeting this Tuesday sept 6th. bob.bratina@hamilton.ca; brad.clark@hamilton.ca; chad.collins@hamilton.ca; scott.duvall@hamilton.ca; jason.farr@hamilton.ca; lloyd.ferguson@hamilton.ca; tom.jackson@hamilton.ca; brenda.johnson@hamilton.ca; brian.mchattie@hamilton.ca; sam.merulla@hamilton.ca; bernie.morelli@hamilton.ca; judi.partridge@hamilton.ca; robert.pasuta@hamilton.ca; maria.pearson@hamilton.ca; russ.powers@hamilton.ca; terry.whitehead@hamilton.ca IMPORTANT: Please call and email City Council and tell them not to accept any deal with Deanlee on the special meeting this Tuesday sept 6th.

bob.bratina@hamilton.ca; brad.clark@hamilton.ca; chad.collins@hamilton.ca; scott.duvall@hamilton.ca; jason.farr@hamilton.ca; lloyd.ferguson@hamilton.ca; tom.jackson@hamilton.ca; brenda.johnson@hamilton.ca; brian.mchattie@hamilton.ca; sam.merulla@hamilton.ca; bernie.morelli@hamilton.ca; judi.partridge@hamilton.ca; robert.pasuta@hamilton.ca; maria.pearson@hamilton.ca; russ.powers@hamilton.ca; terry.whitehead@hamilton.ca

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